He has to admit, this conversation is going much better than he would've thought, even an hour or two ago, if someone had told him Grace would be talking to him again.

"I think nearly everyone wants it," he says. "The problem is admitting it to themselves, because that requires admitting a lot of other things. Admitting they did wrong in the first place, taking responsibility for those wrongs, facing parts of themselves they don't like. Being vulnerable."

He is, as usual, speaking from his own, often painful, experience. Some of it probably shows on his face.

"It's easier to pretend people can't change."